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262421 "yorkshireman@y..." <yorkshireman@y...> 2017‑06‑06 One for the luthiers.
Driving back from the station, I tuned in to this evenings broadcast of BBC
Radio 3 ‘In Tune’  just in time to hear a chap named Richard Durrant describing
his guitar.  Made with bog oak - 5,000 years old.

Naturally, with our guitar builders in mind, I tracked down the broadcast on the
‘net, and some photos

http://richarddurrant.
com/discover/stringhenge/ <http://richarddurrant.com/discover/stringhenge/>

He also said something about their being carbon fibre in it, and it having a
floating neck.   I have no idea what all that would do, But I thought I may know
someone who does.

The programme is here..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programm
es/b08slwdj <http://www.b
bc.co.uk/programmes/b08slwdj>


The rest of us can just go back to making sawdust, nothing to see here..   


Richard Wilson
Galoot in Northumbria
262422 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2017‑06‑07 Re: One for the luthiers.
On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:22 PM, yorkshireman@y... wrote:

>  Made with bog oak - 5,000 years old. 
> 
> He also said something about their being carbon fibre in it, and it having a
floating neck.   I have no idea what all that would do, But I thought I may know
someone who does.


Richard:

Thanks - but I could not open the programme.   Carbon fiber is the latest thing
- there are several guitars with molded carbin fiber bodies (there are even 3-D
printed ukulele’s).  I have used carbon fiber rods glued into a neck to
stabilize it.  In the 70’s - 80’s there were molded fiberglass bodies that even
Greg Allman played at the time - turns out they are hard to repair!  I suspect
the carbin fiber guitars will be the same.

“Contemporary” guitars don’t have a huge market, with most buyer’s choosing
traditional designs.  There are a couple of guys making the floating neck. Thing
to remember is that no one has done a double blind test on any of this stuff,
and famously, a paper mache guitar was mistaken for wood 50 years ago.  They all
sound basically like a guitar.

However, the one trend that is here to stay in lutherie is the CNC machine.
Cutting an intricate inlay is fairly easy, but cutting the socket that fits
exactly is a skill that few have mastered - not any more!  And once you
programme in the software to make a neck - then you can make a zillion of them -
and they look just like handmade necks.

It’s a different world

Ed Minch
262423 Eric Smith <w.g.joinery@g...> 2017‑06‑07 Re: One for the luthiers.
On Wed, 7 Jun 2017 at 10:17, Ed Minch  wrote:

>
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:22 PM, yorkshireman@y... wrote:
>
> >  Made with bog oak - 5,000 years old.
> >
> > He also said something about their being carbon fibre in it, and it
> having a floating neck.   I have no idea what all that would do, But I
> thought I may know someone who does.
>
>
> Richard:
>
> Thanks - but I could not open the programme.   Carbon fiber is the latest
> thing - there are several guitars with molded carbin fiber bodies (there
> are even 3-D printed ukulele’s).  I have used carbon fiber rods glued into
> a neck to stabilize it.  In the 70’s - 80’s there were molded fiberglass
> bodies that even Greg Allman played at the time - turns out they are hard
> to repair!  I suspect the carbin fiber guitars will be the same.
>
> “Contemporary” guitars don’t have a huge market, with most buyer’s
> choosing traditional designs.  There are a couple of guys making the
> floating neck. Thing to remember is that no one has done a double blind
> test on any of this stuff, and famously, a paper mache guitar was mistaken
> for wood 50 years ago.  They all sound basically like a guitar.
>
> However, the one trend that is here to stay in lutherie is the CNC
> machine.  Cutting an intricate inlay is fairly easy, but cutting the socket
> that fits exactly is a skill that few have mastered - not any more!  And
> once you programme in the software to make a neck - then you can make a
> zillion of them - and they look just like handmade necks.
>
> It’s a different world
>
> Ed Minch
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263286 "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> 2017‑09‑10 Re: One for the luthiers.
Ed, the concert luthiers find that even with genuine master craftsmen using
well-set patterns for everything including bracing, that the minute
differences between one piece of wood on one guitar and its
not-quite-identical mate on the next guitar mean that they have to tune the
resonant frequency of the body (Helmholtz Frequency) very minutely and
carefully by hand.  That requires a good, trained ear and a deft, light
hand.  I'd assume the same to be true with automated manufacturing?

J

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On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:22 PM, yorkshireman@y... wrote:

>  Made with bog oak - 5,000 years old. 
> 
> He also said something about their being carbon fibre in it, and it having
a floating neck.   I have no idea what all that would do, But I thought I
may know someone who does. 


Richard:

Thanks - but I could not open the programme.   Carbon fiber is the latest
thing - there are several guitars with molded carbin fiber bodies (there are
even 3-D printed ukulele's).  I have used carbon fiber rods glued into a
neck to stabilize it.  In the 70's - 80's there were molded fiberglass
bodies that even Greg Allman played at the time - turns out they are hard to
repair!  I suspect the carbin fiber guitars will be the same.

"Contemporary" guitars don't have a huge market, with most buyer's choosing
traditional designs.  There are a couple of guys making the floating neck.
Thing to remember is that no one has done a double blind test on any of this
stuff, and famously, a paper mache guitar was mistaken for wood 50 years
ago.  They all sound basically like a guitar.

However, the one trend that is here to stay in lutherie is the CNC machine.
Cutting an intricate inlay is fairly easy, but cutting the socket that fits
exactly is a skill that few have mastered - not any more!  And once you
programme in the software to make a neck - then you can make a zillion of
them - and they look just like handmade necks.

It's a different world

Ed Minch
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